
Thursday, April 30, 2009
Great Back to Back Months - What's Next?

Thursday, March 19, 2009
Investing when down 50% from the past peak
(1) Prior to the current crash and using month end data since Jan 50 the S&P 500 never had dropped by 50%.
(2) I therefore looked at 1year, 3 year, 5year and 10 year performances post a drop from the past peak of 40%. Since 1950 only nine months have been 40% below the past peak. It has then indeed paid off to invest as the following tables illustrates. Interestingly no negative performances were registered so far (see note below). It seems hence to be a rare and relatively safe opportunity.
| -40% from Peak | 1 YEAR | 3YEAR | 5YEAR | 10YEAR |
| Average | 29% | 46% | 65% | 146% |
| Min | 19% | 36% | 52% | 134% |
| Max | 36% | 53% | 87% | 161% |
| St Dev | 6% | 7% | 11% | 14% |
| All periods | ||||
| Average | 9% | 28% | 51% | 125% |
| Min | -45% | -43% | -36% | -41% |
| Max | 53% | 120% | 220% | 371% |
| St Dev | 20% | 30% | 48% | 88% |
Note that the jury on the 10 year performance following the 2000-2002 bear market is still out though it is not looking too good.
The table above compares the performances following the few occurences when the maket had dropped 40% to the average performances of all 1, 3, 5 and 10 year periods since Jan 1950.
Will have to look further using Shiller's data and real returns.
Monday, March 2, 2009
Calling a bottom?
With the market making new lows Prof James Hamilton has an excellent post on stock prices and fundamentals trying to answer the question: "How low can stock prices go, and how worried should you be?"
He uses a Dividend Discount Model under two scenarios (1) real dividend grow 2% from the last reported value (2) dividends first follow the same path as during the great depression and then grow again.

Figure 4.Black line: actual stock price. Blue line: perfect-foresight price P*(t) under scenario 1. Green line: perfect-foresight price under scenario 2 (Great Depression II with dividends taking the same path as between 1931 and 1936)
According to Prof Hamilton at 608 the S&P500 would price in the same dividend trajectory as during the great depression and 5.5% real annual returns forever.At a level of 735 and assuming the market drops to 608 before recovering the market is pricing in 3.6% real return over 10 years. Not bad.
His conclusion: "Of course, under this scenario you would do better waiting for the market to recognize the depression and wait to buy at 608 rather than now at 735. Moreover, given the historical tendency for over exuberance in upswings and excessive pessimism in downturns, you might expect the actual price to fall well below 600 in another depression, at which point there will be returns to be had well in excess of 5.5% if you time your moves just so.
But good luck with carrying out that particular scheme. After all, scenario 2 assumed we're about to start another Great Depression, and hopefully it goes without saying that this need not necessarily happen. If it doesn't, you may find yourself waiting for the S&P to fall below 600 until you're both retired and dead. If the downside to investing now, even under the depression scenario, is better than a 3% average real rate of return over the next decade, I can live with that."
Note: here is a link to an older post on investments.
Sunday, February 15, 2009
Earnings and valuation

Saturday, February 7, 2009
Worst 10 year stretch ever for real S&P500 returns
Until now, the worst 10-year period, by that measure, was the period that ended September 1974, with a compound annual decline of 4.3 percent.
That decline was strongly influenced by inflation. Ignoring inflation, stocks over that decade returned half a percent a year, not a very good showing but not a loss. But with inflation taking off, the real, inflation-adjusted return was negative.
For the current period, the total return was negative, at minus 2.6 percent a year, even before factoring in inflation."
Mr Norris adds "Many things influence stock prices, of course, and there is no guarantee that continued economic and financial woes will not drive the market down from here. But long-term investors may be able to take comfort from the fact that bad decades are often followed by 10-year periods that are better than the long-term average, which shows a gain of 6.2 percent a year." Looking at the chat above confirms this. In the past keeping stocks for 10 years after a negative 10 years streak usually provided positive real returns.
Thursday, February 5, 2009
"Buffett's metric says it's time to buy"
